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 Judge John Roberts

Christians need to contact their Senators and tell them not to confirm this man as the next Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.   

We must send a message that this nominee is not acceptable because of the following.  His own words and lack of words.  History.  God's Word. 

Let us explore our situation first.  Many Christian leaders who dealt with politics were quite willing to endorse George W. Bush for president and not a more worthy Christian candidate (Phillips, Peroutka, and others) for the overriding purpose of putting the right people in the courts.  We all see the courts spinning out of control. 

Of course, with a Republican president and a Republican majority in the senate because of Christian folks' hard work.  Further, the majority of the country is in agreement, we should see a strong nominee.  After all, that was the most important reason given as a need to compromise and accept Bush as the president. 

Despite the Christian's refusal to believe the reasoning used on this web site, by some others, and given in the scriptures, we now find ourselves in a predictable dilemma.  The only answer is to refuse to accept President Bush's nominee, even at this late date.

Everyone agrees Judge Roberts is quite intelligent.  He seems to be extremely nice, a decent guy and a family man.  By all accounts, he loves the law.  He is 50 years old and theoretically he could occupy the Chief Justice position for 30 years.

On the other hand, he is a 'Washington insider'.  He worked in the Reagan White House and was actively complicit in the nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor to the Supreme Court, one of the worst decisions of Reagan's presidency.  He clerked for Justice William Rehnquist.  Again, he could occupy the Chief Justice position for 30 years!

What do people say about him?  The Christian 'leaders' have jumped off the deep end.  They "trust" the president and they "trust" people like Jay Sekulow and Pat Robertson.  Is this the discernment that  scriptures speak of? 

Early on, Ann Coulter wrote a telling article, "Fool me Eight Times; Shame on Me", reflecting the court's filling with mainly Republican presidents who have betrayed the electorate.  She concludes:

"Bush said "Trust me," and Republicans trust him. It shouldn't be difficult for conservatives to convince themselves that Roberts is our man. They've had practice convincing themselves of the same thing with Warren, Brennan, Blackmun, Stevens, O'Connor, Kennedy and Souter."

Joseph Farah of Worldnetdaily wrote a more recent critical article,  "I was wrong about Roberts".  He says:

"Up until now, I've been comparing Roberts to Sandra Day O'Connor, Anthony Kennedy and David Souter. I've got news for you. He's worse..."

"This is what conservatives got for all their hard work on behalf of George W. Bush – a betrayal. Conservatives were told they had nowhere else to go in the presidential election if they cared about the U.S. Supreme Court.

And what did they get? Not Souter. Not Kennedy. But Breyer."

Charles Krauthammer wrote a most insightful articlein the Washington Post, September 16, 2005 "Roe v Roberts".  In this article he says: 

"In 2000 Al Gore declared that he would not nominate a justice who did not support Roe. Dianne Feinstein says today that if she determines that Roberts opposes Roe , she will be compelled to vote against him. For Democrats, abortion is an open litmus test.

Circumspect and clever Roberts has been. No one really knows. But I predict two things: (a) Chief Justice Roberts will vote to uphold Roe v. Wade , and (b) his replacing his former boss, Chief Justice William Rehnquist, will move the court only mildly, but most assuredly, to the left -- as measured by the only available yardstick, the percentage of concurrences with the opinions of those conservative touchstones, Scalia and Thomas."

So, according to well-respected, conservative columnists, we cannot expect Roberts to reverse the courts' broken state and of course,
Roe v Wade
.  Thirty more years of this decision?  How many million babies will die because of this?

What about President Bush?  Does he know something we don't?  If we knew the answer, we might not like it.  Remember, he ballyhooed the likes of Scalia and Thomas when he was campaigning as the type candidates he will be looking for if he got the opportunity to nominate a person(s) to the Supreme Court.  He claimed only to consider a "strict constructionist".  It seems we have one to the LEFT of Rehnquist!       

An error often made is the reasoning that just because politicians 'on the other side' are for something, then it must be bad.  Similarly, we hear that if they are against something it must be good.  This broken reasoning permeates the rhetoric in political speech. 

For once, let us make that error.  Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) who are on the Senate Judiciary Committee, both like Roberts!  They are trying to find a way to vote for Roberts without irritating their pro-abortion base.  Take these examples:

September 15, 2005  Final day of hearing, conclusive comments.

FEINSTEIN: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

I want to just say one thing. I don't really know what I'm going to do with respect to voting for you or voting against you.

FEINSTEIN: I had one impression of you when we had our hour in private. And to a great extent, I think I came out of that meeting with a different sense of you.

And, of course, the impression that I have today is of this very cautious, very precise man, young, obviously with staying power. I mean, you've gone through this in a remarkable way. I'm convinced you will be there, God willing, for 40 years...

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SCHUMER:  Second on the pro side is that you seem to be a lawyer above all. You've devoted your entire life to the law and it's clear that you love it.

SCHUMER: Most people in that position tend not to be ideologues. They'll follow the law wherever it takes them regardless of the consequences, and you have repeatedly professed that to be true for you. But given that you spent most of your legal life representing others and your limited tenure on the court of appeals didn't allow you to rule on very many non-technical cases, there's not a long enough track record to prove that point.

SCHUMER: The third, and perhaps the most important, at least to me, is your judicial philosophy and modesty and stability. Such a theory respects precedent, the Congress and other judges' opinions. Modest jurists tend not to be ideologues. And many of us on this side of the aisle would like the court to maintain -- and in cases related to the commerce clause like Morrison increase -- its modesty...

SCHUMER:  Will you be a very conservative judge who will impede congressional prerogatives but does not use the bench to remake society, like Justice Rehnquist?

SCHUMER: Or will you use your enormous talents to use the court to turn back a near-century of progress and create the majority that justices Scalia and Thomas could not achieve?...

ROBERTS:  The basic question, Senator Feinstein, Senator Schumer, what kind of a justice would I be? ...And, Senator Schumer, I don't think you can read those opinions and say that these are the opinions of an ideologue.

ROBERTS:  You may think they're not enough. You may think you need more of a sample. That's your judgment. But I think if you've looked at what I've done since I took the judicial oath, that should convince you that I'm not an ideologue.

ROBERTS:  And you and I agree that that's not the sort of person we want on the Supreme Court.

 

What about Roberts himself during the questioning? 

As predicted, Roberts carefully navigated his answers through the treacherous waters of questions meant to get at what he will do with abortion.  Of all the things affecting our nation, this is the one most important to the Democratic senators. 

Roberts repeatedly responded that it was better he did not answer these type questions in the tradition of prior nominee responses during these hearings as they also chose not to answer.  The idea that if confirmed, cases of that type may come before them and that if they respond in the hearings, not knowing all the facts of the cases to come, they would possibly be violating their answers in the hearings.   

Give me a break. 

Just who said that was an appropriate stance for any judicial nominee?  They would have ample opportunity to explain in either a ruling or a dissent of the possible future case just how they came to their decision that may be at odds with part of their testimony. 

This idea is merely a convenient hole to hide in.  This enlightens us to the untouchable position of a court justice.  They are above questioning, even before appointed.  They have no such constitutional position.  The founders would never have stood for this garbage.  Anyone who plays that game is unworthy of confirmation.

For example, suppose during questioning a senator asked the nominee how he happened to felt about a specific ruling that was regarding a murder.  Instead of hiding behind the cloak of independence, Roberts, who likely will have a case of this sort at some time in the next 30 years, would thoughtfully answer the question.  In fact, he did when he discussed other cases of his own choosing.

How can a 50 year old man not be up front about his personal beliefs and hide behind the Rubicon of his 'job' as a practicing lawyer.  His deeply held personal beliefs do not get in the way of how he does his job.  Taking this reasoning a bit further, this was the same way Nazi concentration camp soldiers justified their abhorrent actions.  It was just their "job".   

If his personal beliefs will have nothing to do with his performance of his job as he says, then why would he hide them from view since they should have nothing to do with confirmation?    

Excuse me, just what are personal beliefs for if they don't make a difference in how you run your life?  Do you really think God Almighty appreciates this distinction?  Hardly.  He expects us to be the 'salt and light' that cannot be hidden.  Faith without works is dead.  Christians have given all of ourselves to Him.  Which one of the great men in the Bible were blessed when they dismissed their faith?   

If Roberts is who he portrays himself to be, a moderate, non-ideologue whose personal beliefs have no bearing on doing his job, we lose.  If we should find that he is an ideologue (considers abortion murder) and his personal beliefs really matter, he is a liar and we lose our witness to non-Christians as this is not how God would expect us to act.  Either way, we lose.

On day 2 of the hearings, Senator Specter was quizzing Roberts specifically about the principle of stare decisis (the importance of prior decisions in precedence setting for subsequent decisions).  This is central to the idea that Roe v Wade, upheld with many later decisions,  will continue to be considered law.  In the following answer, Judge Roberts, once again in his own words, made it clear that he finds it very important not to overthrow previous decisions. 

ROBERTS: Yes, Mr. Chairman, I would. I would point out that the principle goes back even farther than Cardozo and Frankfurter. Hamilton, in Federalist No. 78, said that, To avoid an arbitrary discretion in the judges, they need to be bound down by rules and precedents. So, even that far back, the founders appreciated the role of precedent in promoting evenhandedness, predictability, stability, adherence of integrity in the judicial process...

ROBERTS: Well, Senator, the importance of settled expectations in the application of stare decisis is a very important consideration. That was emphasized in the Casey opinion, but also in other opinions outside that area of the law. The principles of stare decisis look at a number of factors. Settled expectations is one of them, as you mentioned.

ROBERTS: Whether or not particular precedents have proven to be unworkable is another consideration on the other side -- whether the doctrinal bases of a decision had been eroded by subsequent developments. For example, if you have a case in which there are three precedents that lead and support that result and in the intervening period two of them have been overruled, that may be a basis for reconsidering the prior precedent.

SPECTER: But there's no doctrinal basis erosion in Roe, is there?

ROBERTS: Well, I feel the need to stay away from a discussion of particular cases. I'm happy to discuss the principles of stare decisis. And the court has developed a series of precedents on precedent, if you will. They have a number of cases talking about how this principle should be applied. And as you emphasized, in Casey, they focused on settled expectations. They also looked at the workability and the erosion of precedents. The erosion of precedents, I think, figured more prominently in the courts discussion in the Lawrence case, for example. But it is one of the factors that is looked at on the other side of the balance.

ROBERTS: Well, in the particular case of Roe, obviously you have the Casey decision in 1992, '93...

SPECTER: '92.

ROBERTS: '92 -- in which they went through the various factors on stare decisis and reaffirmed the central holding in Roe, while revisiting the trimester framework and substituting the undue burden analysis with strict scrutiny. So, as of '92, you had reaffirmation of the central holding in Roe. That decision, that application of the principles of stare decisis is, of course, itself a precedent that would be entitled to respect under those principles.

In the rest of the hearings, this sort of discussion was replayed over and over.  Roberts, according to his colleagues, "loves the law".  Roberts will decide each case according to "the law" and not allowing his 'personal beliefs' interfere with his decisions.  "The law", as he puts it, includes stare decisis and even though there is absolutely no true law (passed by the legislature and signed by the president) regarding legalizing abortion, Roberts considers Roe v Wade the "settled law of the land". 

September 13, 2005 in discussion with Senator Feinstein:

ROBERTS: Well, I don't know what you mean by absolute separation of church and state.

For example, recently in the Ten Commandments case, the court upheld a monument on the Texas Capitol grounds that had the Ten Commandments in it. They struck down the posting of the Ten Commandments in a Kentucky courthouse.

Is it correct to call the monument on the Texas Capitol grounds with the Ten Commandments, is that an absolute separation or is that an accommodation of a particular monument along with others that five of the justices found was consistent with the First Amendment?

So I don't know what that means when you say absolute separation. I do know this: that my faith and my religious beliefs do not play a role in judging. When it comes to judging, I look to the law books and always have. I don't look to the Bible or any other religious source.

Roberts told the truth under oath.  He has already said that he has no "overarching judicial philosophy" in his Circuit Court hearings.  This is no "strict constructionist" as he will weigh cases in his mind, ever mindful of precedence. We need someone who will return us to previous days before judges made the law.  Not Roberts. 

 


SPECTER: I'm not going to ask you whether you're going to vote to overrule Roe or sustain it. But we're talking here about the jurisprudence of the court and their reasoning. Let me come to another key phase of Casey, where the joint opinion says a, quote, Terrible price would be paid for overruling Roe. It would seriously weaken the court's capacity to exercise the judicial power and to function as the Supreme Court of a nation dedicated to the rule of law. Now, this moves away from the specific holding and goes to a much broader jurisprudential point, really raising the issue of whether there would be a recognition of the court's authority.

And in a similar line, the court said this, that to overrule Roe would be, quote, a surrender to political pressure. And added, quote, to overrule under fire would subvert the court's legitimacy, close quote.

So in these statements on Casey, you're really going beyond the holding; you're going to the legitimacy and authority of the court.

Do you agree with that?

ROBERTS: Well, I do think the considerations about the court's legitimacy are critically important. In other cases, my thinking of Payne v. Tennessee, for example, the court has focused on extensive disagreement as a grounds in favor of reconsideration. In Casey, the court looked at the disagreement as a factor in favor of reaffirming the decision. So it's a factor that is played different ways in different precedents of the court. I do think that it is a jolt to the legal system when you overrule a precedent. Precedent plays an important role in promoting stability and evenhandedness. It is not enough -- and the court has emphasized this on several occasions -- it is not enough that you may think the prior decision was wrongly decided. That really doesn't answer the question, it just poses the question. And you do look at these other factors, like settled expectations, like the legitimacy of the court, like whether a particular precedent is workable or not, whether a precedent has been eroded by subsequent developments. All of those factors go into the determination of whether to revisit a precedent under the principles of stare decisis.

SPECTER: A jolt to the legal system, a movement against stability, one of the Roberts doctrines.

ROBERTS: If a overruling of a prior precedent is a jolt to the legal system, it is inconsistent with principles of stability...

SPECTER: Go ahead.

ROBERTS: I was just going to say, the principles of stare decisis when that's a price that has to be paid.

A "price to be paid"?  He just said that we have to live with abortions because we honor stare decisis and we shouldn't upset the apple cart. 

What about Robert's record?  Why aren't we hearing from the Christian 'leaders' that he helped lawyers in his firm prepare for the Romer v Evans case that homosexuals carried to the Supreme Court that  overthrew Amendment 2 of Colorado's State Constitution, forbidding the extension of official protections to those who suffer discrimination due to their sexual orientation.  Why aren't they complaining that he spent hours helping the case of Playboy Enterprises in the Supreme Court.  Playboy’s case challenged the Telecommunications Act of 1996  allowing for pornographic channels to maintain poor scrambling. 

Roberts could have refused.  Instead of following his personal beliefs theoretically a Christian, he chose to 'love the law', a lesser god.

We must "trust" President Bush and the Christian 'leaders'.  No.  

Candidate George W. Bush told us he would give us another decent Scalia or Thomas.  Instead, he avoided an ideologue, as Senator Schumer implied.  After this, Senators Schumer and Feinstein are trying to vote for Roberts and at the same time not irritate their pro-abortion base.  It is just much to do about nothing.  President Bush has betrayed us in a major, terrible way.

Full transcripts of the hearing (Washington Post):
day 1
day 2
day 3
day 4

The Senate should vote against Mr. Roberts.  They should force Mr. Bush to name other nominees who will reform the broken courts.  It isn't enough to have a nice fellow who favors status quo when we need justices who will actively reel in the judiciary from their current unconstitutional role.  We need ideologues such as Scalia, Thomas, Bork, and better yet, Roy Moore.  We have the majority now, the Republicans have no excuse.  It would be a real battle but one worth engaging.  

Christians, we blew it again.  Thirty more years of elective abortion.  We have again offended God Himself when this was to be a great victory.  Roberts is an example of our fallen state.   

Judgment is increasing since that is what we deserve and what we need, when will we learn? 

 

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